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Old 27-01-2010, 03:58 PM   #1
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Is there any point working?

Me and the wife are debating if to quit our jobs or not. Due to things like this

Children of better-off parents left in tears after they are banned from attending school trips at half-term

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...referrer=yahoo

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At the moment we pay £800 + bills a month rent (about 1100 a month all in)

The people next door are on benefits and get there house free. They told us all they have to do is keep going to college and have they have never had a job.

2.
We are having a baby and would like to work and put the baby into a nursery after the wife has day 6 months off work due to the cost of living. The problem is that we will have to pay allot of money for a nursery and can't afford it so don't know what to do.

The people next door donít work so donít have to pay as they do it themselves.

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We would like to have more time to spend together as a couple but at the moment i work Monday - Friday and the wife works Thursday - Tuesday.

If we didn't have a job we could spend more time together and also spend more time with the new baby.



The list goes on and on and tbh it would be better for both of us not to work in the long run as we'll spend more time with the baby, have more money and i wouldn't have to wake up at 6am and drive 30 miles to work every day.

I have been working since leaving college and have never got any job seekers or anything for over 12 years.


Whats your thoughts?
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Old 27-01-2010, 04:05 PM   #2
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Re: Is there any point working?

While I agree with you there are many more benefits to not working than working.

I personally believe that by working I earn my self-respect, people these days think that everybody in the world owes them something even though they haven't put anything in for themselves (they type of person who thinks communism is a good idea). I personally don't see how some of these benefit abusers can look at themselves in the mirror as I know I couldn't if I was making more money sitting at home while someone in this country is slaving away to pay for both my life and their life.
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Old 27-01-2010, 06:03 PM   #3
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Re: Is there any point working?

When I ended up on jobseekers I found it embarrasing. I could not wait to find a job so I could stop signing on. I ended up taking a bar job until I could find something better.

Hopefully your next door neighbours will eventually get what should be comming to them (Provided of course they are doing something shifty and not actually going to college so they can find a better job).
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Old 27-01-2010, 06:08 PM   #4
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Re: Is there any point working?

well theres no happy in between either its all or nothing with the government, my friend lost his job beginning of last year and has only been able to find part time work, but if he works more than the 20 hours a week, say if he does half hour overtime every night, they cut his income support off, which is serious hindrance since he has a wife and 3 kids to try an support.
Fuckin typical, the free loaders are handed it on a silver platter while people who try and do something for themselves get hindered, on this basis alone i say **** em take everything you can get off them, cus they wont help u if you deserve so y help them and support the economy to keep *** heads in power who dont do as we ask.
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Old 27-01-2010, 07:04 PM   #5
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Re: Is there any point working?

Self-respect is all well and good - but one man's judgment of respect is different to another's its not going to be a problem for some. I personally get annoyed by the fact that people are having such an easy life on benefits. Don't get me wrong, I understand some people do need them - but they really should be minimal. And I mean minimal. To be given just enough to afford a months food from Lidl or Aldi for them and their kids. Pay the rent, sure, but make sure that they can't do ANYTHING else outside of simply surviving. That'll get people off their ass and looking for something.

When I was unemployed last year for eight months, I didn't want to go on benefits - I of course had to and applied, however, since my girlfriend was a student at the time her loan (the one given to an individual to help them and them alone through a year at University) I was ineligible for benefits. So we had to live on pretty much the bare essentials to survive while there are people out there able to buy their kids everything they want and need, and go for days out and have a night out every weekend all on benefits.

Something needs to be done to sort the scroungers out but no one in this country has the balls to do it.
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Old 27-01-2010, 07:51 PM   #6
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Re: Is there any point working?

More things that get me going

Last summer the people next door had a bbq party 2 x or more a week in there garden with loads of food and beer.
We had 1 all summer due to funds.


Also while me and the wife have been at work we've had things stolen off our garden that we can't afford to replace.


They have a 40" flat screen telly and ps3.
We have a 32" CRT
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Old 27-01-2010, 10:21 PM   #7
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Re: Is there any point working?

Blade, in regards to your last post, this is the impression i get.

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One's wealth is not defined by your finances and material goods but by the amount of happiness in your life and the friends you keep.
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Old 27-01-2010, 10:45 PM   #9
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Old 27-01-2010, 10:46 PM   #10
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Re: Is there any point working?

Why do you think we left?
We got so fed up with subsidising other people so they could live the life we wanted that in the end it became too much. On average I think we were paying in the region of a grand a week in tax (income tax/Value Added Theft/Vehicle tax/petrol tax etc....) and it really used to grate with me when I'd walk through the middle of town on a Saturday and see these people waddling down the highstreet with two kids in a new pushchair and I'd be left to think 'I'd love for herself to be able to do that, but we just can't afford to lose an income right now'

I doubt anything will change in the near term. Fiddling with the benefits system is political suicide, and the politicians are far too interested in lining their own pockets to rock the boat.

Not that it's necessarily 'better' in the states. The system here is much more akin to what Timmy Shire was describing, they are absolutely minimal (probably not enough at all).

But if it's bothering you that much. Apply for a transfer with work. We have gone from two incomes to one in the move to the US (as herself is unable to work until the DHS sorts it's act out and issues her with an authorisation to work form) and we're doing just fine. I think it's a bit like life was like in the UK in the 30's, where being a 'home maker' was a valid (and valuable) option for a woman.
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Re: Is there any point working?

I had been working al my life up to 20 months ago.
Due to my daughters mother leaving me in the sh*t 8 years ago money wise I had been struggling every week until it came to a point where I said sod it.

I told work unless they gave me more money I had to leave, they could not so I left.
Here is the part about being on social.......

I am a single parent I do not get jobseekers I get Income support I get 172 every 2 weeks.
I bankrupted myself and got my stuff sorted Debt free got bank account back no bloody jobs about now.

Jobseekers is ****e money do not let anyone tell you otherwise it's 64.62 a week & if you quit work of your own back Without a child you get nothing same as if your sacked, for 6 weeks think they give you emergency money something like 25 quid.

Also if you have a child you did not have to work until that child was 16 not anymore as of april if your child is nearly 7 or is 7 you do not get income support you go straight on jobseekers.
Trust me if you do not find work they will send you to do charity work or doing ****ty jobs this is not an option if you refuse you get nothing.
Well that is what they do at our local council anyway.

They are really clamping down on benefits.
the Best option is this stick it out until your child is born or do it this way.
you get your missus to apply for a house private or council and get them to pay for it but only in her name.

that way when she claims she will get the full whack you then claim staying at your parents then you get your money to.
if you are together you will only recive jobseekers if you claim apart she will get income support and you will get jobseekers (that is what your neighbour was doing I presume) Hence why he had so much money.
The downside to this is.....

you are not legally allowed to stay at her house she is not allowed anyone to stay in that house over night except her and the baby.
reason for this is it is classed as benefit fraud and it only takes one person to say something.

I have prob laid out some stuff on here that people will not agree with Hey I do not either.

Thing that pisses me off about benefits is this....

I have worked nearly all my life I have paid taxes National Insurance.
When I first left work they would not help me one bit yet some smack head heroin junky Tw*t is stood in line (lots of them) never worked in there lives and they get money thrown at them becuase they have an addiction.
Tough **** clean up get a bloody job.

Or the other jobsworth sods again left school claimed all there lives get a crisis loan every week know all the staff by name and they never say anything to them about work.

Well like I said they have brought reforms in the Benefit agencys and all that is changing.

So before you think about going on it get as much advice first....


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Re: Is there any point working?

Thanks for all the info and where looking into loads of options.

With comment like my neighbour has this or that. I'm not saying that i would like a tft or a ps3 or anything like that. I'm just wondering how do they afford it if there on jobseekers or whatever there on?

The problem is this country has gone to pot at the end. The people without a job that steal off me while i'm at work are protected by the government. Just look at what happens if someone breaks into your house at night. If you touch them your screwed.
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Re: Is there any point working?

Something worth thinking about oBladeo
Class employment as a educational role, the longer you stay in it, the more experience you get, with that will come pay rises and even new job opportunities (not necessarily in the same job)

Now, look at where you think you might be in say, 10 years from now
Now look at someone who's been unemployed for 10 years and trying to get work,
who's going to take them with no experience or they will get shafted on pay.

By staying in work you are moulding your future for the better i believe personally


For the record, i gave up work (retail management) 13 years ago, so i could become a house husband at the time
But i didn't claim anything for this at all, i did it so i could bring up my daughter.
Due to health reasons i never made it back to work, i do claim disability which is to help me get out and about (which is fk all)
I would break someones arm (or leg) to be able to work again, i do miss it
that's why i put so much time in to GameOn.
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